A Euthanasia Machine

 

A high degree of control is not possible in the procedures described above. The results depend on how fast someone actually pours how much acid; the rate the acid mixes with the baking soda; how much air was initially in the carbon dioxide chamber; how well the CO2 mixes with the air in the euthanasia chamber as it enters; and then there are concerns over operator error. To do a significantly better job would require a euthanasia machine. One possible design is shown below. It eliminates a lot of variables, is consistently effective, but requires more time, money, and tools to build.

 

In this design there are two carbon dioxide chambers. Each is formed by two plastic glasses. The upper one fits tightly into the top of the lower one to create an airtight chamber. A 1/2-inch tube runs from each lower glass to the euthanasia chamber. Each upper glass has a 7/64th-inch hole drilled into the bottom and is plugged by a sharpened dowel (insert with a twisting motion without pushing too hard and possibly cracking the plastic). The hose from the first glass runs along the top of the euthanasia chamber, is plugged at the end (a piece of sponge works), and has a dozen or so holes drilled into it so that the CO2 is evenly dispersed as it enters the chamber. (The lid of the chamber had spaces where the handle goes through it, so no holes had to be made to allow air to escape as CO2 enters.) The hose from the second glass goes to the bottom of the chamber. The bottom of each lower glass is covered to a depth of about 1.5 inches with bits of moistened sponge, or open-cell foam, cut into 1/4 inch cubes on top of which the baking soda is added. This prevents the baking soda from forming a solid layer on the bottom of the glass, and so promotes a more rapid reaction with the acid. Another way to promote a complete reaction is to place a moist piece of heavy cloth, like a wash cloth, in the bottom of the cup and cut so it extends up the sides about one inch, then put the baking soda on it.

Removing the dowel from the first glass releases the vinegar to begin the process of gradually increasing the CO2 level in the euthanasia chamber and thereby inducing a state of deep anesthesia. After about 1 minute, the vinegar drains and the dowel is replaced. After waiting an additional minute, the dowel in the second glass is removed, the vinegar flows into the lower glass, and CO2 floods the chamber from the bottom up causing rapid death. After the second cup drains, replace the dowel and wait at least 10 minutes. Be sure to do a few test runs first, making sure all the baking soda reacts (swirl the glass and if few or no bubbles form, then the reaction was complete).

One option would be to cut a circular hole in the end of the euthanasia chamber so your hand could be inside to hold and comfort your pet. To seal the hole, use a bracelet or wire ring a bit larger than the hole, then stretch a surgical latex glove over it and cut off the fingers and thumb. Adjust the ring so that, when your hand is inside, the glove seals the hole.

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-1 # Alex 2013-05-17 19:28
I just wanted to say thank you for this info. I also wanted to point out to others that think CO2 use is uncommon or inhumane. Having worked at many shelters, rescues, and ASPCA. Most do not know that Car Exhaust was the method of the ASPCA of the US until recent years. Also, those "no-kill" shelters that you think every pet gets a home at, sorry but thats not what always happens. Many sell animals to labs and vet schools to be tested on for months before being put to sleep. The CO2 method works great on small animals and when done currectly is not painful unlike the injection the vet gives which does cause pain as it abruptly stops the heart. If you have ever been exposed to co2 you would know that all it does is maybe make you slightly dizzy before it knocks you out. Yes I speak from experience. It does not allow for a struggle. As a farm owner I could dish out a lot of info on varied ways animals can be put down and most are not pretty. A+++ to this website owner!!! Thank you!
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-6 # Melissa 2013-05-11 08:09
This is an inhumane method of euthanization. Would you seriously use this method on a loved one (human) if euthanasia were legal? If not, then dont subject animals to it. Their last 30 min or more will be spent in terror and pain. If you dont have the money for the vet, then you can surrender your pet to many vets, to the local shelter, to the local SPCA, the local Humane Society, to one of many rescue organizations (farm animals included). If nothing else, leave the animal on the vets or organizations doorstep & then please dont get another animal until you are in a better position to properly take care of one again. I know things happen but put the welfare of the animals first please.
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+4 # Caroline 2013-05-11 08:56
Quoting Melissa:
This is an inhumane method of euthanization. Would you seriously use this method on a loved one (human) if euthanasia were legal? If not, then dont subject animals to it. Their last 30 min or more will be spent in terror and pain. If you dont have the money for the vet, then you can surrender your pet to many vets, to the local shelter, to the local SPCA, the local Humane Society, to one of many rescue organizations (farm animals included). If nothing else, leave the animal on the vets or organizations doorstep & then please dont get another animal until you are in a better position to properly take care of one again. I know things happen but put the welfare of the animals first please.



Would I use it on a person? No. Reason? Because there is more help & understanding available for people here. A suffering person would not be turned away, like we were for a rabbit. Would I use it if it was balanced viewpoint? I don't know. Reason: Because I think there would be better assistance for humans.

"...last 30 minutes"? It wasn't even 30 seconds before he was unconscious. The last breathe was drawn in about 3minutes,but we left it for a lot longer to be sure. There was no terror, and no pain at all from this. Where do you get this information from? How did you find his site? Have you personally witnessed this method of Euthanasia? Where?, by whom? & what happened?

Please don't judge other people, from other nations without any knowledge whatsoever on what it is like for any given person.

I ask you to be respectful to others. The ones that are looking for this site, & find themselves in a position to have to euthanize, are often highly distressed, & feel totally helpless after seeking advice elsewhere.

I pray you never ever ever, have to deal with our situation, because I'd hate to think what you'd really do.
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0 # Janet 2013-05-12 01:25
Caroline, thank you for your very articulate responses to these two ignorant "know-it-alls." I don't know why they think the all various groups they cited are so "caring" and would help as that has not been my or many of my friends' experiences either! No money, no "help-ey" regardless that the animal is suffering!!

In Florida, the vets are all about the money and forget if your animal is suffering. Even the "Humane Society" wanted a lot of money to put a pet down and then charged even more if you didn't make arrangements with the local pet crematorium to have the body picked up & cremated (many $$$$) because as they explained it to me.... they had to box up the body and give it back to me!?!? Really?!? so that should cost another $35.00!!! UNBELIEVABLE!!

As far as compassion, I didn't find any. Vet care is driven by $$$$ like everything else these days and I am unsure as to why those judgmental writers don't get that. Also like you said they are so misinformed about the results of the actual process so apparently have no real experience and are assuming they know more than they do.

Thanks again for responding. I know there are many of us in your position. I may need to use this method on myself someday due to my own medical problems and I know it is not a painful way to go. In the meantime I will do the best I can by my beloved pets. All the best to you and yours.
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+3 # Heather 2013-06-05 07:25
Melissa, I took two years of vet classes and would like to point out to you that small animals weighing less than two pounds requiring euthanasia don't have any good veins to inject the chemical into, so the veterinarian must puncture the animal's torso and inject the poison straight into its heart. This is much, much more humane than bringing the animal to a vet.

This website is not here to encourage lazy pet owners to kill their pets - it's encouraging loving, caring pet owners to make their pets' last few moments as peaceful as possible if there are no other alternatives left. There are even instructions on how to best hold your pet to comfort it during this process. Do you want us to abandon our dying, hurting, beloved animals on a rescue organization's doorstep?
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-3 # A.Ryan 2013-05-10 23:48
I am so sorry, but for all of the people complaining about the cost of veterinary medicine...you don't deserve to have a pet if you can't afford the proper care for them, which INCLUDES euthanasia. Pets are not your right to have, and just because society as a whole decides that an animal is just a thing for you to do with as you will, it doesn't make it right. I hope you feel guilty for not taking the time to find a reputable veterinarian who could deal with your pets needs, because that is a part of being a pet owner. Take some responsibly for your actions instead of coping out and trying to convince everyone that this CO2 method was your best option because it WASN'T! It was your cheapest option, and your easy way out. Even the owner of this dispicable website admits that this method is not the best one available.
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0 # Caroline 2013-05-11 06:33
Quoting A.Ryan:
I am so sorry, but for all of the people complaining about the cost of veterinary medicine...you don't deserve to have a pet if you can't afford the proper care for them, which INCLUDES euthanasia. Pets are not your right to have, and just because society as a whole decides that an animal is just a thing for you to do with as you will, it doesn't make it right. ..........


I had a good job,was struck by poor health,& eventually was made redundant.Now as a carer for my sick & elderly elders,my savings quickly went.My pets are provided for 1st & foremost-often at cost of missing meals to pay for their special needs.This is a choice I make.

My pal was kidnapped for 8hrs,abused & brutally gang raped.Mentally she fell apart.Before that she was a well paid city worker. Her resulting mental health,soon saw her Divorced,& slowly she lost everything,but her beloved pets,that had been with her for years,2 rescued as babies & hand reared.She always provided for them like they were Gods. But you know what? Things happen! Its all very well saying 'have cash ready', but its not easy in reality when prices go higher, & you don't know until you need it. I am disgusted by your ignorant response. So you think that as soon as someone taps into their 'pets savings' they should quit pet ownership? Please! How arrogant of you! What would happen to the pets then? We had just over half the fee for the procedure,with help from me. The 13yr old rabbit was terminal with a tumor,& ALL the vets within a 3hr radius,refused us a payment plan (due to people not paying for services done on credit) & help, in spite of clean track record in her paying up front. We have written to many authorities complaining since. But it doesn't change the past. This site helped us. You've just slung mud from your 'holier than thou' perch.

I'd honestly love to know what you'd have done in our situation???
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0 # A.Ryan 2013-05-11 06:42
I would have forgone any procedures on the animal and turned him over to the vet for humane euthanasia. I've been in veterinary,medi cine for years and I have never heard of not being able to find a clinic that doesn't offer some kind of good samaritan low cost option for it. I even work at a very expensive specialty hospital and we provide it as well. I'm sorry, but I just do,not buy that this CO2 method is anyone's only option. I sm sorry that your friend has had such hard troubles, but I also know of many people who fell on hard times near the end of a pets life and still were able to figure proper care.
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+1 # Caroline 2013-05-11 08:41
Quoting A.Ryan:
I would have forgone any procedures on the animal and turned him over to the vet for humane euthanasia. I've been in veterinary,medicine for years and I have never heard of not being able to find a clinic that doesn't offer some kind of good samaritan low cost option for it. .......


I'm happy for you & your oh so moral, high ground. Because clearly you aren't so restricted, & in an area where people barter, & turn to crime to survive. I pray to God that you never are poverty ridden, or find yourself destitute, & preferring to care for your animals, rather than abandon them, after begging desperately for help from many people who allegedly care.

It is against the law,& prosecutable here to abandon your animals,even if you are caught leaving them on the doorstep. & if you surrender them, you are charged a high fee,& expected to pay that up front.Thats just how it is here.Our streets are crawling with animals that have been dumped out the doors.

Are you seriously telling me,that you wanted us to place a elderly,hand reared,tumor ridden indoor rabbit,in a box,&public transport it for up to 3hrs, on the train,bus,& a subway,across town in the middle of the night,dump it outside some gates on the floor,in winter,& leave it there until morning,or until a Fox got it??? & that's better than a few short seconds until unconsciousness ,lying in his own hay,with the lady who hand-reared him,having her hand on him & talking the whole time? Honestly? Are you sure???? Wow!...& you say we're cruel? Lol!

Kindly donate some of your wealth, &/or time, to any number animal charities in the UK,& to some of the Homeless people's charities in the UK,& start petitioning the UK Government to put clinics under obligation to put pets before cash, & for the global drug companies to stop hiking prices - in order to prevent your alleged CO2 'cruelty'.

Thanks
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0 # Caroline 2013-05-11 06:35
Quoting A.Ryan:
I am so sorry, but for all of the people complaining about the cost of veterinary medicine...you don't deserve to have a pet if you can't afford the proper care for them, which INCLUDES euthanasia. Pets are not your right to have, and just because society as a whole decides that an animal is just a thing for you to do with as you will, it doesn't make it right. ..........


I had a good job,was struck by poor health,& eventually was made redundant.Now as a carer for my sick & elderly elders,my savings quickly went.My pets are provided for 1st & foremost-often at cost of missing meals to pay for their special needs.This is a choice I make.

My pal was kidnapped for 8hrs,abused & brutally gang raped.Mentally she fell apart.Before that she was a well paid city worker. Her resulting mental health,soon saw her Divorced,& slowly she lost everything,but her beloved pets,that had been with her for years,2 rescued as babies & hand reared.She always provided for them like they were Gods. But you know what? Things happen! Its all very well saying 'have cash ready', but its not easy in reality when prices go higher, & you don't know until you need it. I am disgusted by your ignorant response. So you think that as soon as someone taps into their 'pets savings' they should quit pet ownership? Please! How arrogant of you! What would happen to the pets then? We had just over half the fee for the procedure,with help from me. The 13yr old rabbit was terminal with a tumor,& ALL the vets within a 3hr radius,refused us a payment plan (due to people not paying for services done on credit) & help, in spite of clean track record in her paying up front. We have written to many authorities complaining since. But it doesn't change the past. This site helped us. You've just slung mud from your 'holier than thou' perch.

I'd honestly love to know what you'd have done in our situation???
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0 # Caroline 2013-05-11 06:53
Quoting A.Ryan:
I am so sorry, but for all of the people complaining about the cost of veterinary medicine...you don't deserve to have a pet if you can't afford the proper care for them, which INCLUDES euthanasia. Pets are not your right to have, and just because society as a whole decides that an animal is just a thing for you to do with as you will, it doesn't make it right. I hope you feel guilty for not taking the time to find a reputable veterinarian who could deal with your pets needs, because that is a part of being a pet owner. Take some responsibly for your actions instead of coping out and trying to convince everyone that this CO2 method was your best option because it WASN'T! It was your cheapest option, and your easy way out. Even the owner of this dispicable website admits that this method is not the best one available.


I came across this site, as directed from a well known bunny rescue site, when seeking desperate help. This was not a 'I want something fun to do' thing. This was very hard,thought about a lot,& a lot of tears where shed by myself and my friend,reading stuff here & getting the things, & asking questions! We felt this was our only kindest option. Other sites recommended: driving over the pet, bagging it & smacking it with a stick/bat/brick , shooting it, snapping the neck, letting it go into the wild, drowning, microwaving, burning, kicking, dropping off a building, & stomping...all UNACCEPTABLE!

As you seem to feel so strongly, I request that you tell us what any other 'real' options are available?,that you feel are a better way to euthanize a small pet?,when you are point blank refused vet assistance, even at your own practice, in spite of having a known to them pet, presented suffering, & up to current date, was on daily veterinary prescribed medication, you are not in a catchment area for charity assistance, & are refused payment plans.

I look forward to your response.
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-1 # A.Ryan 2013-05-11 07:03
As I stated before, if it was my pet and I knew I was financially comstrained, had an animal who I knew would not be cured or helped by expensive medical procedures or medications. I would have forgone them in order to spend the money instead for the euthanasia costs. Or I would have driven to an area that does have services that I have already mentioned. I will continue to stand by my statement that there are better options to be found,.
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0 # Shocked in England 2013-05-08 06:15
Hi came across this 'interesting site' when it was posted on facebook. Really quite shocked..... Euthanasia costs in Veterinary practice are just and if you own an animal this (unfortunately) the majority of the time will be required. I have worked in Veterinary practice for 10 years and this is the first i have heard of this odd (and cruel) practice. Euthanasia is designed to minimise stress and suffering of the animal, it's effects are almost instantaneous. Having to leave an animal to suffocate for half an hour in plastic bag hardly seems humane!!!!!.... ....Just something to think about!!!!!???!
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0 # Janet 2013-05-10 23:29
Well Shocked in England, maybe in England costs are reasonable but here in Florida they are rediculous!! I called Petsmart's Banfield vet last year because my reasonalbly priced vet left his practice and it was time for my little 19 year old dog to go to the Bridge (plus I had lost my job.) Banfield wanted $185.00!! just for the euthanasia part.... calls to other vets yielded similar results! "Luckily" I found one "caring" vet tech who understood my plight and his vet agreed to do it for an office fee of $40. Unfortunately she withheld the sedative portion of the death shot (afterwards it was mentioned that costs more!!) so my sweet little girl died with a scream as her little heart was stopped suddenly. I will consider doing it myself with one of the many methods found on the internet, like using helium, than ever put another dog through that BS!
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0 # Caroline 2013-03-01 12:42
Sorry to trouble you again. Thanks so much for your other answers. Friend got all the remaining necessary items,to help their much loved & weakened bunny with tumor. The vet wouldn't help it for less than $99,which on welfare they couldn't do,& the one vet in town,wouldn't even bill her for a payment plan,inspite of regularly buying meds for same bunny from them.
Anyway Friend didn't think they'd have the strength to hold their bunny without crying & stressing him, so opted for the chamber, as they had most the items at home,& wanted it to be as stressless as possible for all concerned.

They just told me they only had a box of 9.247 gallons,or 35litres (it said the 35L on the box label apparently), measuring 9.5inches high x 12inches x 15inches. As said before my math is virtually non-existant,so I apologize,but is there a formula you're using to work out the calculations?, & the amounts to put in the 1st & 2nd glass?

Thanks for all your help.
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0 # Eric 2013-03-01 22:31
All starts with volume, other numbers follow. Original was 1.1 gallons, so 9.25/1.1 = 8.4. Multiply all other numbers by 8.4 to scale up.
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0 # Caroline 2013-02-28 17:57
Oh and you used a 1.1 gallon plastic container (8 x 6.5 inches) - was there height on that? Sorry again if the question is dumb.
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0 # Eric 2013-02-28 18:45
Only the volume matters. But in one gallon there is 0.133681 cubic feet (12x12x12 inches), so in one gallon there is 231 cubic inches in one cubic foot. So 231 x 1.1 divided by 8 and 6.5 is 4.9 inches of height.
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0 # Caroline 2013-02-28 18:52
Quoting Eric:
Only the volume matters. But in one gallon there is 0.133681 cubic feet (12x12x12 inches), so in one gallon there is 231 cubic inches in one cubic foot. So 231 x 1.1 divided by 8 and 6.5 is 4.9 inches of height.



Thank you so much. I have Dyscalculia so math just fuzzes up my mind. Your help is appreciated. Thank you so much.
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0 # Caroline 2013-02-28 17:54
Hi,

I am reading your instructions on the Euthansia Machine, on http://www.alysion.org/euthanasia/euthanasia-machine.html.

I'm currently advising a friend, and want to make sure that they do things correctly, and we're a little confused on the design. We have a couple of Questions.

1) You mentioned your chamber having holes where the handles are to allow air to escape. So if there are no holes in the lid of the main chamber, does there need to be some, to allow air to escape? And do we need to block these at some point?
2) Where does the hose have to be on the lower glass, to be most effective?
3) From our understanding, 8oz White Vinegar - 4tsp Baking Soda (pipe to top of chamber), is first to be released for 2 mins? Then the 1cup White Vinegar - 4 tsps Baking Soda (pipe to bottom of chamber) is released second, and left 30mins. Is this correct?
Sorry if these questions seem dumb.
Thanks for your time.
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0 # Eric 2013-02-28 19:01
First, decide if you really need to make the/a machine. If you are breeding rodents for show and keep hundreds, yes, you'll want some consistent means.

1) A handle stuck through the top of the container I used and the small gap present was enough, but the container cannot be sealed without holes somewhere. Since CO2 is heavier than air, holes should be in the top. The small vents need not be blocked.
2) Hoses should be near the top but not so far up that the upper glass can not seal it.
3) Yes. The main function of the 'machine' is to control the rate of flow, which prevents a human from pouring too much too fast.
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+1 # Melissa 2013-01-03 18:29
Thank you so much Eric...for doing the math and for suggesting the mask. That is a MUCH better idea as I'd like to hold the hen as this is done. Mine like to be held, too. I will work on this when I have another one in need of a quick and painless passing.
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0 # Melissa 2013-01-02 22:18
Thankfully I don't have need of this machine right now, but after a recent bout of illness in one of my beloved chickens (she recovered thank goodness), I had to consider that if she didn't recover we would have to put her down. I've had one chicken die a slow painful death from egg peritonitis, a second one contracted same and my sweet husband had to use an ax which he begged me to never have him do again. I want to be prepared with a euthanasia chamber next time so that my precious girl won't have to suffer.
My question is, if I have to prepare a larger chamber to accomodate my hen, what is the ratio I would need of the gas combo? I think I would need a box that would be more the size of a cat carry crate, about 20" cube?
Please let me know.
Thanks and bless all of you who are being humane and kind.
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0 # Eric 2013-01-03 15:19
Doing the math, a 20x20x20 inch cube would hold about 35 gallons. About 2.2 cups of baking soda would react with 1.75 gallons of vinegar to make 35 gallons of CO2 gas.

We have four chickens now with more chickens and ducks coming in the spring, so we'll have to deal with unpleasant issues at some point. My thoughts include making a hood with a hose going to a zip-lock bag that has the baking soda on the bottom and a cup of vinegar sealed inside waiting to be poured out. Three of our chickens like to be held and petted, so holding a sick, dying chicken and slipping a plastic hood over their head should not be too upsetting. This is a thought, haven't tried it yet.
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0 # Steve 2012-10-10 05:34
Excellent design, thanks.
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+1 # Eric 2012-07-01 19:10
The original comment widget this site used to have died an unnatural death, and, no, it was not euthanized. With it was lost hundreds of comments ranging from heart felt gratitude to scathing contempt. So let's start over.

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0 # Janet 2013-05-12 01:28
Eric, thank you so much for making this information available and doing so in such a detailed manner. It's clear you put a lot of effort into providing this information. You are a very compassionate person!
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